Tuesday, September 03, 2013

CP 220 Touching that schizophrenic nerve...



CP 220 Touching that schizophrenic nerve…

Hello friends on the walk. It occurred to me that this week I could simply feed on to you some of the responses I’ve had to the post about ‘our schizophrenic Heavenly Father'. Any comments of mine will be in brackets.
Thank you for expressing so well the discomfort many of us experience as we hear fellow pastors and, apparently, teachers of the Church speaking of the Lord's holy chosen people in terms that are self-flagellating and seem to dismiss entirely God's view of humanity.
Love your thoughts Fred. I am a child of God, Jesus took my sin, paid my debt. I am made new and will live like someone who has been given an incredible gift, not like I did before. Thanks so much… I appreciate this ...
…I saw your letter to the editor in the Lutheran which I absolutely loved, and shared about it with dad, who also appreciated it, as did my sister. So thanks.
That was a GOOD blog!!!! My husband thinks so too! I am so glad you wrote the letter to the Lutheran… I hope the truth speaks into peoples’ hearts. Thanks for that!
Fred, thank you for this CrossPurposes. I too for many years contested the BEGGAR description of my faith. Baptised on the 16th of October 1939 as an infant, my understanding has been a forgiven child of our gracious God, not any old beggar as if there was no truth in the water and word that made me a child of God.
Wow, that is right on. I also am not a poor miserable sinner, but because I am in Christ, I am a forgiven, healed, whole, restored, blessed daughter of the King, who is on an amazing journey to uncover the precious truth of my right standing afforded me through His loving sacrifice and resurrection.
Fred, we don’t need to bring anything in our hands, as everything is God’s. We have been given eternal life freely, and we DO NOT have to beg for anything. In fact we BOAST as Romans 5:2 states.
Thanks for this mate…I completely agree with your passionate response…taking on a beggar’s attitude implies uncertainty in the promise of Christ on the cross.
Amen Fred! This As John wrote in 1 John 3:1 - "How great is the love the Father has lavished upon on, that we should be called children of God! And that is what we are!" Love that absolute statement at the end - no doubt about it, we are God's children.
I saw the letter in The Lutheran – I am still thinking about that.  I think you have to be right – we don’t expect or want our own children to BEG anything from us! I think it’s taking the Saint/Sinner concept beyond what it is.
(A friend, sorely troubled by her life situation at this time, said to me, “All I can hear are the words of the, ‘We are Family’ song:)
We are heirs of the Father,
We are joint-heirs with the Son.
We are children of the Kingdom,
We are family, we are one.

We are washed, we are sanctified,
We are ransomed by his blood;
We are strengthened by the Spirit,
We are children of the Lord                                                                                        
Jimmy and Carol Owens 1974
A retired Pastor’s closing comment in a phone conversation: “I’ll stick with Romans 8.”
(This next comment is sort of embarrassing)
'Well done good and faithful servant', for being true to who you are and what you believe, in a system that may not like what you write.
Your response about the beggar is just one aspect of some people's understanding of God that I have often struggled with, and have got to a place of choosing not to take on and accept.
I too, am not a beggar, nor will I ever be. When Jesus died and sent His Spirit, I am in Christ, Christ is in me - which means Father is living in me... therefore it is impossible for me to beg to someone who lives in me, and I in Him.
Anyway, just wanted to encourage you in your boldness to question this in an open forum. We need to be completely true to who we are and what we believe - even though sometimes that is a very hard thing to do in the systems (communities) we may be part of. I'm glad I'm not a beggar. To me begging to Jesus is like being in bondage trying to get out of something - poverty, unforgiveness, no hope. But I am rich, I am forgiven and I have hope... in fact I live out that hope everyday.
And as for the schizophrenic Father - I question whether, actually, there are schizophrenic Christians - it's not Father who changes, but humans, as you implied.
God continue to bless you on your journey Fred
(Note from me. There were a couple of additional comments which were so ‘on-the-money’ that I simply have to add them to this post. Here is the first of them:)
There is, of course, much more to the story.  My sense is that our Holy Spirit is
amazingly weak and ineffective in actually working Christ in us in a way that
anyone dare call transformative.  It seems we are always back at square one when
we are invited to confess our sins as if, were we at square three or five or 137, we
would have the hubris of the Pharisee in the Temple.  However, reality is that the
further along the 'squares' one is, the more aware one is of 1) how precious and
loved we are by God and 2) that there is yet even more that we need to
acknowledge and relinquish to him.
(Man, O man, do I ever agree with him! And here is the second):
The other phrase, besides sons/daughters, that Paul uses is slave but in the context of BONDslave. Not at all a beggar, but someone who knows the freedom and life and liberty and love he lives in, and now voluntarily BINDS himself to this Liberating King for life. Freedom everywhere!
There you go… was a good opportunity to gather the thinking of a lot of Jesus’ followers in one place. Interestingly, I have not received a single negative response.

Have a good week.

Fred

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